Which class deals consistent armor ignore/penetration damage? - Guild Wars Forums

Santra · Nov 30, 2006, 12:48 AM // 00:48

Which class has access to the skills that deal damage that ignores damage or armor?

I've tried Eles with their 25% armor penetration air skills, but still don't really get wow'd by it when facing rangers.

I've heard that Domination mesmers and some necro builds are good at dealing armor ignoring damage but haven't really had the time to test it out (i'm one of those time starved gamers). What's everyone's thoughts?

MisterB · Nov 30, 2006, 01:02 AM // 01:02

All classes have skills that ignore armor, and for pure damage, warrior deals the most, in pressure, and DPS(single target damge).

chicks boy · Nov 30, 2006, 01:11 AM // 01:11

Top damage makes in this order:

- Elementalist

- Necro

- Dervish

- Assassin

- Mesmer

- Ritualist

- Warrior

- Paragon

- Monk

- Wammo

Mesmer in Need · Nov 30, 2006, 01:17 AM // 01:17

i think most mesmer skills can do full dmg no matter what the armour rating. take it from me... i know about mesmers.

Akhilleus · Nov 30, 2006, 01:26 AM // 01:26

if you want consistent, good, useful armor ignoring attacks or spells...then NO CONTEST, go with a necro.
a blood necros blood spikes will ignore armor, as will any of the shadow damage skills delivered by most death magic.
curses are self explanatory; they (usually) do an indirect type of damage; in the way of degeneration or crippling an enemies ability to function.
necros, when used propperly, are probably guildwars' most versatile damage-dealer, which is why its such a shame most people simply use them as minionmasters.

Zamochit · Nov 30, 2006, 01:29 AM // 01:29

^Couldnt agree more^
Lifestealing damage totally ignores armour, deals significant damage and often acts as a form of self heal. Oh yeah, it ignores Protective spirit and several other enchants too...
Been on the wrong end of a bloodspike more times than I care to remember....

Santra · Nov 30, 2006, 01:34 AM // 01:34

Thankies, I suppose this is a good enough reason for me to try out the mesmer and necro.

Edit: Oookay, I'm sold. Definitely rolling the Necro when i get home from work.

zelira · Nov 30, 2006, 03:14 AM // 03:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by chicks boy

Top damage makes in this order:

- Elementalist

- Necro

- Dervish

- Assassin

- Mesmer

- Ritualist

- Warrior

- Paragon

- Monk

- Wammo

Wait, Rangers didn't even make the list? O.o

dargon · Nov 30, 2006, 05:25 AM // 05:25

Ele's with max earth can also do 118 dmg (no reduction due to armor, only certain spells) with obsidian flame every 5 seconds (give or take). The only drawback is that the spell causes exhaustion so you really don't want to spam it a huge amount if you can avoid it, unless you have a means of dealing with that.

ricoboom · Nov 30, 2006, 01:46 PM // 13:46

any degeneration damage ignores armor - poison, bleeding, syphon, burning, etc
but direct and instant armor ignoring damage has only necromancer
that is why toucher build is so "powerfull"

Dutch Masterr · Nov 30, 2006, 01:54 PM // 13:54

if you want the most armor ignoring damage, use a mesmer for degen and all other skills are armor ignoring. necro blood magic is also armor ignoring.

knives · Nov 30, 2006, 01:57 PM // 13:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by ricoboom

any degeneration damage ignores armor - poison, bleeding, syphon, burning, etc
but direct and instant armor ignoring damage has only necromancer
that is why toucher build is so "powerfull"

Mesmers have direct armor ignoring damage as well, albeit, its mostly conditional. What makes me sad is this is probably the mentality of the GW community in general, refusing to accept the talents of a good mesmer can rival that of a necro in a party most if not any day.

Haggard · Nov 30, 2006, 02:44 PM // 14:44

Mesmers do have some incredibly high damage armour ignoring skills though.
Ineptitude = 150+
E-Burn/Surge = 80
Backfire = 150+
Spirit Something = 100+
Visions of Regret = 120
And don't forget good old Empathy, at 45, now a significant threat for a warrior (especially if he has plans to frenzy spike someone)

DeanBB · Nov 30, 2006, 03:03 PM // 15:03

A smiting monk can dish out a lot of armor-ignoring damage and vs the right enemies get double or bonus damage.

Carboplatin · Nov 30, 2006, 03:15 PM // 15:15

necros definitely. Hexs, degen, shadow.

and for the longest amount of time, at least for pve, due to soul reaping.

Sophitia Leafblade · Nov 30, 2006, 03:29 PM // 15:29

EI would say Earth Eles, then Mesmers then Necros do the most damage.

You gotta love an Earth Ele with Crystal Wave + Teinai's crystals = 238 armour ignoring damage in 1.5 seconds and then obsidian flame on top.

Sofonisba · Nov 30, 2006, 03:39 PM // 15:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Santra

I've tried Eles with their 25% armor penetration air skills, but still don't really get wow'd by it when facing rangers.

All ranger armor has natural protection against elemental damage.

nSin · Nov 30, 2006, 03:43 PM // 15:43

That;s exactly what he was saying... He never claimed otherwise.

Necros give the best armor ignoring damage, in specific blood magic for single targets and curses (spiteful spirit) for groups of enemies.

Sofonisba · Nov 30, 2006, 03:50 PM // 15:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by nSin

That;s exactly what he was saying... He never claimed otherwise.

My bad; just that it seemed like the OP was puzzled by why they couldn't kill rangers with the uberairskilz.

Random Dude · Nov 30, 2006, 04:04 PM // 16:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by chicks boy

Top damage makes in this order:

- Elementalist

- Necro

- Dervish

- Assassin

- Mesmer

- Ritualist

- Warrior

- Paragon

- Monk

- Wammo

that list is so flawed

Nov 30, 2006, 12:48 AM // 00:48	#1
Santra Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Sep 2006	Which class deals consistent armor ignore/penetration damage? Which class has access to the skills that deal damage that ignores damage or armor? I've tried Eles with their 25% armor penetration air skills, but still don't really get wow'd by it when facing rangers. I've heard that Domination mesmers and some necro builds are good at dealing armor ignoring damage but haven't really had the time to test it out (i'm one of those time starved gamers). What's everyone's thoughts?

Nov 30, 2006, 01:34 AM // 01:34	#7
Santra Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Sep 2006	Thankies, I suppose this is a good enough reason for me to try out the mesmer and necro. Edit: Oookay, I'm sold. Definitely rolling the Necro when i get home from work. Last edited by Santra; Nov 30, 2006 at 01:37 AM // 01:37..

Nov 30, 2006, 01:02 AM // 01:02	#2
MisterB Furnace Stoker Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy Guild: [ban] Profession: W/	All classes have skills that ignore armor, and for pure damage, warrior deals the most, in pressure, and DPS(single target damge).

Nov 30, 2006, 01:11 AM // 01:11	#3
chicks boy Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Feb 2006 Guild: No guild Profession: A/E	Top damage makes in this order: - Elementalist - Necro - Dervish - Assassin - Mesmer - Ritualist - Warrior - Paragon - Monk - Wammo

Nov 30, 2006, 01:17 AM // 01:17	#4
Mesmer in Need Forge Runner Join Date: Mar 2006 Guild: [ToA]	i think most mesmer skills can do full dmg no matter what the armour rating. take it from me... i know about mesmers.

Nov 30, 2006, 01:26 AM // 01:26	#5
Akhilleus Forge Runner Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: If it aint expensive, it aint worth buyin'. Guild: Leading/Co-leading Bretheren Of Chaos [Dark] Profession: W/Mo	if you want consistent, good, useful armor ignoring attacks or spells...then NO CONTEST, go with a necro. a blood necros blood spikes will ignore armor, as will any of the shadow damage skills delivered by most death magic. curses are self explanatory; they (usually) do an indirect type of damage; in the way of degeneration or crippling an enemies ability to function. necros, when used propperly, are probably guildwars' most versatile damage-dealer, which is why its such a shame most people simply use them as minionmasters.

Nov 30, 2006, 01:29 AM // 01:29	#6
Zamochit Furnace Stoker Join Date: Jul 2006 Profession: N/A	^Couldnt agree more^ Lifestealing damage totally ignores armour, deals significant damage and often acts as a form of self heal. Oh yeah, it ignores Protective spirit and several other enchants too... Been on the wrong end of a bloodspike more times than I care to remember....

Nov 30, 2006, 05:25 AM // 05:25	#9
dargon Furnace Stoker Join Date: May 2005 Guild: The Seraphim Knights [TSK] Profession: R/	Ele's with max earth can also do 118 dmg (no reduction due to armor, only certain spells) with obsidian flame every 5 seconds (give or take). The only drawback is that the spell causes exhaustion so you really don't want to spam it a huge amount if you can avoid it, unless you have a means of dealing with that.

Nov 30, 2006, 01:46 PM // 13:46	#10
ricoboom Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Nov 2006	any degeneration damage ignores armor - poison, bleeding, syphon, burning, etc but direct and instant armor ignoring damage has only necromancer that is why toucher build is so "powerfull"

Nov 30, 2006, 01:54 PM // 13:54	#11
Dutch Masterr Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Long Island, NY Guild: Elite Knights [SWAT] Profession: W/	if you want the most armor ignoring damage, use a mesmer for degen and all other skills are armor ignoring. necro blood magic is also armor ignoring.

Nov 30, 2006, 02:44 PM // 14:44	#13
Haggard Desert Nomad Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Urmston, Manchester, UK Guild: Greener Pastures [DVDF] Profession: W/Rt	Mesmers do have some incredibly high damage armour ignoring skills though. Ineptitude = 150+ E-Burn/Surge = 80 Backfire = 150+ Spirit Something = 100+ Visions of Regret = 120 And don't forget good old Empathy, at 45, now a significant threat for a warrior (especially if he has plans to frenzy spike someone)

Nov 30, 2006, 03:03 PM // 15:03	#14
DeanBB Forge Runner Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Arizona Guild: Wizardry Players Guild, http://4guildwars.7.forumer.com	A smiting monk can dish out a lot of armor-ignoring damage and vs the right enemies get double or bonus damage.

Nov 30, 2006, 03:15 PM // 15:15	#15
Carboplatin Jungle Guide Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: [PIG] Profession: W/A	necros definitely. Hexs, degen, shadow. and for the longest amount of time, at least for pve, due to soul reaping.

Nov 30, 2006, 03:29 PM // 15:29	#16
Sophitia Leafblade Desert Nomad Join Date: Nov 2005 Guild: Dragon Slayer Guild [DSG] Profession: R/	EI would say Earth Eles, then Mesmers then Necros do the most damage. You gotta love an Earth Ele with Crystal Wave + Teinai's crystals = 238 armour ignoring damage in 1.5 seconds and then obsidian flame on top.

Nov 30, 2006, 03:43 PM // 15:43	#18
nSin Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Nov 2006	That;s exactly what he was saying... He never claimed otherwise. Necros give the best armor ignoring damage, in specific blood magic for single targets and curses (spiteful spirit) for groups of enemies.